Leah: [00:00:00] this is a big. Scary conversation so often we wanna avoid what’s scary and we definitely don’t want to, freak our kids out. No. And yet having this information, communicating, having a plan, I think that’s one of the biggest things I took away when I went through your training was.

Right. The power of vocalizing a plan ahead of time.  I would go to these crisis events and I’d see that people didn’t know what to do, either the ones that died or the ones that were critically injured.

Jesus: Uh, the ones that were just caught in trauma, frozen in fear. And there was just this constant theme. And the theme was, I never thought it would happen to me. 

Leah: We are capable of having these conversations. They are capable of hearing them, and they are important. 

Jesus: The goal of this podcast for me is to leave those listening and watching with really quick, adaptable tools, to empower them to use those tools immediately when they’re done watching this. So they can get home. 

Leah: This idea of having a plan so that we can be less [00:01:00] overwhelmed in a moment of crisis, it just resonates. 

Jesus: The myth that it takes a gun to stop a gun is not true.

Mass murderers being defeated. By people that chose to live, people that had a plan.

Leah: Welcome to the Balancing Busy Podcast. Today we are gonna talk about something that is very serious, but I promise you are gonna be so grateful that you listened because it could truly save your life. And I am not saying that you’ll see. You’ll understand why I am completely correct in saying this. So our guest today, Jesus Savannah Osa, is amazing.

I got to hear him a couple months back. Uh, hey, I am so grateful you’re here. So thank you. Thank you for, for being here with me on the podcast today. 

Jesus: Thank you for having me. Very, uh, very much appreciated. I’m looking forward to this. 

Leah: Me too. I have been, I, I have been looking forward to it. I’ve been telling other people about it.

I shared with you, my husband has been [00:02:00] really looking forward to like this episode, the biggest 

Jesus: fan. That’s awesome. 

Leah: I know he is like, everybody needs to hear this. So can we start by you just kind of sharing first what is it that everybody needs to hear? And second, give a little bit of your background and your story.

Jesus: Sure. You know, um, so. Background wise, I come from, uh, 33 years of law enforcement. I was a sergeant, retired sergeant with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department here in Pierce County, Washington, which is where I’m from, uh, west Coast, uh, which would be cities like Tacoma, Fredericks, and you know, Graham, stuff like that.

South Hill. Um. Out of those 33 years, I had the privilege of serving 30 years as the point man on our SWAT team. And unfortunately what comes with those type of credentials is the SWAT team sees the worst of the worst. So, yeah, I’ve, you know, I’ve been involved in hostage rescue. Um, people have tried to kill us a lot of different ways and, um, uh, survived all of that, which I’m very blessed and thankful for.

Um, really important that people know that I’m a man of [00:03:00] faith. And so, uh, there was just times when things. You didn’t get hit. And so it was a blessing. Um, consulting for this is my 40th year. I’m really stoked about it. I can’t believe it. If you would’ve told me back in 1986, I’m starting my 40th year this April, I just started it, that I would’ve taught to a million people.

I would’ve said 

Leah: what? Wow. 

Jesus: Um, so yeah, it’s kind of crazy. Uh, I trained in all areas of law enforcement. I was, uh, the Washington State’s, uh, first what’s called, uh, master Defensive Tactics Instructor in the state of Washington for. Law enforcement personnel, which means I had to be an instructor in every arena and have extensive training.

Took seven years to receive certification, firearms, um, telescopic baton taser, pepper spray, hand-to-hand combat 25 year instructor. And so just a lot of, you know, tools that I use in my tool chest to get home. And that’s what really kind of inspired a lot, a lot of this for me early. And my career was, I would go to these crisis events and I’d see that people didn’t know what to do, either the [00:04:00] ones that died or the ones that were critically injured.

Uh, the ones that were just caught in trauma, frozen in fear. And there was just this constant theme. And the theme was, I never thought it would happen to me. And I thought to myself, you know, in my job, we have to believe it’s gonna happen to us. And by the way, God bless all my brothers and sisters out there in law enforcement.

A fire department, all our first responders, man, just love you guys to death. Love you all. Thank you so much for the sacrifices that you make for your family. So, um, but for me it was like I had all the tools and I kept getting the tools and I kept testing the tools and the tools would get me home. And there it is.

The goal of this podcast for me is to leave those listening and watching with really quick, adaptable tools, really quick learning tools to empower them to use those tools immediately when they’re done watching this. So they can get home. You know, it sounds so simple, but unless you’ve seen what I’ve seen and, and been exposed to what I’ve been exposed to, getting home was tough sometimes for me.

You know, there’s times I had to get home via, you know, [00:05:00] the hospital, um, or I had to recover for weeks upon weeks, uh, at home or so getting home, you know, that’s my mantra. What can we do to get you home? Um, and that’s what we’re really gonna try to focus on today. You know, the, the active lethal threat, and I call it an active lethal threat.

Response is because we’re seeing an increased alleged weapon attacks, you know, especially, uh, up north in the King County area. Um, if you Google that on your, you know, Google search engine for edge weapon attacks or knife attacks in Seattle or the surrounding areas, it’s really overwhelming. It’s, it’s shocking.

And what’s more shocking is they’re not attacking you for the purpose of a crime, right? They’re just stabbing you and then walking away. They’re not. Robbing you. They’re not raping you, they’re not stealing your car. They’re not stealing the groceries for the guy that was holding the groceries. They’re just walking up to people and stabbing them indiscriminately and then walking away.

And so in this world right now, we really need to be thinking [00:06:00] about, um, situational awareness. And that’ll be, you know, the, the other podcast we’ll talk about. But this one, active Lethal Threats. You know, right now, uh, I believe as of this morning, I just checked my data. Uh, we’re at 233 mass shootings in America.

As of this morning, uh, according to gun violence archive, . So, you know, mass shootings are a concerned school shootings.

We’ve had seven this year, according to education week. Um, and I like using them because I like their definition, right? Firearm that’s discharged during school hours or a school sponsored event where someone gets struck. At least one person is a victim other than the shooter. That’s what most parents think a school shooting is right.

So those are the kinds of things that, um, we wanna really get to today is how to survive these events.

Right. Um, because we know that, uh, and everybody’s heard of Run, hide, fight, right? Um, that’s the, the big three that were taught during the, um, a few year, well, quite a number of years ago, uh, Houston PD and the FBI. Put that together as a quick response plan for people, right? [00:07:00] Run height, fight, seven minute video.

Great video, by the way. Got nothing against it. The only thing I don’t agree with is there’s nine survival options. It’s not just run height fight, right? There’s nine options that are being used constantly across the United States and across the world that people aren’t hearing about, and so they’re locked into, run, hide, fight when in reality.

What about crawling? Right? What about playing dead? That’s what the Florida State University student just did at the shooting this year, just a couple months ago at Florida State University. Um, and she played dead. She was shot in the buttock. She fell to the ground and she says, I immediately played dead.

It’s what my parents just drilled into me, that if I can’t move, if I’m injured, you gotta play dead. So she went into stage breathing, which is that short breathing, you know, small breaths, small exhalations, and the shooter stops right next to her. She tells us that from her hospital bed. Can you imagine that?

And he’s reloading and she can hear him talk to himself. Right. And she survived. Right? How did she do that? So, it’s important when, when [00:08:00] parents think about this, uh, and talk to their kids, it’s important because the American Psychological Association says parents should be talking to their kids about this.

Absolutely. Should be, you know, um, because you’re the person they love and trust the most in this world. So it’d be nice to have a conversation, but the problem is most parents don’t know the data and they don’t know. How to talk to their kid about it. And I was, or when joke. Yeah, 

Leah: that’s the, what age is appropriate.

I mean, that was one of the things I was like, oh, I, I want to hear your take on this because I can, this is a big. Scary conversation and so often we wanna avoid what’s scary and we definitely don’t want to, you know, scare our kids, freak our kids out. No. And yet having this information, communicating, having a plan, I think that’s one of the biggest things I took away when I went through your training was.

Right. The power of vocalizing a plan ahead of time. So can you kind of speak to that as far as what’s [00:09:00] the right age? Sure. How do we go about doing this? One of the things that I know I shared with you was when I thought about us sitting down and recording this episode, I imagined. Everyone listening to it twice, they’re going to listen to it once by themselves.

I agree. And then they’re going to realize, oh my gosh, I need my husband or my parents or my kids, like they need to listen to this with me. And we’re gonna listen to it a second time and we’re gonna talk about it. It. 

Jesus: Yeah. And I, I would agree with that because first of all, there’s a lot of information here in a really condensed amount of time.

You have to understand that typically, as you know, I taught you this class. This is a three hour class for me that I teach on these. ’cause we still so many video. We, I show a lot of videos of the active shooters on the move and what they’re, how they look for victims. But when it comes to age group, you know, I will tell you that I started teaching my kids at a very young age, um, a different way.

I didn’t say, Hey, I wanna talk to you today at six years old about AK 40 sevens and. Men that are trying to kill you, you, you can’t do it that way. Right. What I did and what I thought was really kind of cool in the way we can [00:10:00] do it with our kids is the younger they are, we just talked to them about, and for me it was the yucky man.

Okay. That’s what we called them. We called ’em the yucky man. And the yucky man does yucky things, right? And so the name was Mr. Yuck. Yuck. Okay. And so if we’re talking about something, we would bring up something about the yucky man. Right. Something the yucky man may do. Like he may try to lure you with a puppy or you remember those things, right?

Um, and so we would talk about it where it became something for them that was just an automatic for that age group. You gotta remember that their brains are not, not even close to being in maturation stage. They’re just still in awe wonder stage and things can get scary. So I’ll give you an example of, of something like how to teach a kid to run in crisis, right?

You go to a park. You’re having a great time with your family. You get a cone or you get a, you know something, a funny face or something, you stick it up 50 yards, 25 yards away from you, and you go, we’re gonna play the running game today. And they go, what’s that [00:11:00] mommy? And you say, well, when mommy goes run, and by the way, you gotta be goofy because kids love goofy, right?

You can’t go when I go and freak out, you gotta be goofy, right? And when you say that, I wanna see how fast you can get to that comb. And then they’ll say, when are you gonna say it? You’re like, I don’t know. I don’t know. I might say it in a couple minutes. I might say it in the middle of a sandwich bite. I don’t know.

But all I want you to do is get to that orange cone. Let’s see how fast you can do it. Anyway, so what do you want? Peanut butter and jelly rod. And when you say it, your kid’s gonna get up and laugh and run, right? But what you’re doing is you’re teaching them how to react to a command, right? And as time continues, one day your child may ask you, why am, why?

Why do we do this game, mama? And you say, you know, I’m so glad you asked. I’m so proud of you for asking, because sometimes there’s just yucky things that happen, you know, where bad guys try to hurt good guys, and so we have to have a plan. And so mommy needs to know that if I [00:12:00] tell you to run, I just want you to run as far away as you can from mommy.

’cause mommy will take care of me. Okay? And, and of course we’re trying to make sure they believe that because if they don’t believe that, they won’t leave your side. Right. It’s the old, put the oxygen mask on yourself before you put that on the child, right? So you have to convince them that you’re putting on the oxygen mask for yourself.

So if you tell ’em to run, it’s because you wanna see them later. And if they ask you, well, where do I run to mommy? Anywhere that you think is safe. If you have to hide, then you hide. But we’ll find you eventually. And there’s the key that people need to understand in these mass shootings. Every person in the country.

And in the world that has fled a mass shooting of the kind that we’re talking about. A mass public shooting has been found. No one’s ever not been found. And then I’ll get some parents at community forums that’ll say, well, yeah, but what if they get picked up by a pedophile? If there’s a mass shooting, hundreds of police officers from multiple jurisdictions will be coming.[00:13:00] 

It is not the right time for a pedophile to be out. Trying to think he’s gonna find a kid. Just, I’m just, I’m not trying to be funny here. I’m just letting you know. That’s not realistic, and it’s never happened in the history of mass shootings. So let’s just stick with the data. Okay. We will find your kid, but we’ll find him later.

And a good example of this was the Covenant School shooting in, uh, the Baptist school in Nashville, Tennessee, when half of the school actually evacuated the school during the shooting and ran into the pucker brush into the wood line with the staff, right? That’s totally opposite of what schools teach today.

Right, right. And yet they had the updated training to say, if I’m already outside and I hear lockdown and there’s no shooting or screaming, why would I go in when the data tells us the shooter’s gonna be in the building 95% of the time, and that the shooter 99% of the time is a student? So why would I do that?

So they fled every single one of ’em lived. Every parent got their son or daughter back. Couple of scratches from the, you know, the pucker [00:14:00] brush. But better than dead, and so there’s just ways to do it at a younger age. And by the way, most of the cartoons and the animation that you let your kids watch, most of them, almost all of ’em that I know of have a good guy and a bad guy.

Right? The good bird and the bad bird, or the bad pig and the, and the good fox. And that. There’s always a contrast in life of. Good versus bad, good versus evil. I wouldn’t use the word evil with kids. It’s too deep, too dark. It’s, it’s just good and bad that they understand the simplicity of that. Right? I mean, the hamburger is good, but the spinach is bad.

So, you know, me, I’m a carnivore. I don’t need any vegetables. Vegetables are bad. Okay. Sorry, I don’t say that to your kids. Um, but the point being, you can start at a young age. It’s just how you start, right? Well, how’s the conversation? And then as they get older, of course. Making sure that they have more in depth of the plans, you know, the tactics we’re talking about today.

So that’s important. 

Leah: So that brings me to your own [00:15:00] experience of getting that call for a mass shooting and talking to our older kids. So Will, will you share that with us? Sure. 

Jesus: Sure. So, um, I’ll, I’ll be honest with the audience right off the bat, I really, um, thought that because I teach this for a living and I’ve taught so many people, hundreds of thousands of people, I mean over a million people and, and many, uh, we’ve had a lot of people call us that have actually survived an active shooting event, by the way, I mean, I’m not exaggerating.

I’ve got their names. We can give you that, but it’s humbling when someone calls you after a mass shooting at the El Paso, Texas, Walmart, and. They’re writing you an email while they just recovered from the shooting, and I don’t know who they are, but they’re telling you what you taught my children at the school assembly, what you taught us at the parent forum.

We had to use it tonight at the smash shooting in the Walmart in Texas. And I just was [00:16:00] overwhelmed. I just was touched. And of course I reached out to the family. And it’s funny how you become good friends with people. Mm-hmm. Um, they send you family pictures and so I never thought this would happen to me and there.

Is the learning point. I don’t want you leaving this podcast thinking, oh my gosh, it’s gonna happen to me. You’re more likely to be struck by lightning. Okay? Let’s just be honest. The challenge is that when it does happen, it can’t catch you off guard. You can’t let it catch you off guard. You have to have prepared for it.

You can’t say, I mean, you can if you’d like, but if you have kids, I hope you never say I don’t. He says, I don’t wanna talk about this. This is too scary. Okay. You do know we just had two church shootings in the last 14 days. Right? Just had another one this Sunday. Okay. We had one two weeks before that in Wayne, Michigan.

Okay. That church in Wayne, Michigan had a plan and stopped the active shooter, killed him. It was amazing if you read the testimonials of what happened. Okay. So if you were a [00:17:00] parent watching this. You’ve gotta get out of that mindset of, I don’t wanna think about this. I don’t want to talk about this. I know it’s hard.

I know it’s scary. Trust me, but don’t do what I did. Okay. I thought I’d get a pass on this. I thought God would say, you know what? You’re my good and faithful servant, and you are doing so well. I’m gonna give you a pass, but I didn’t get a pass. Um, on January 3rd, 2007, and actually let’s back up to November of 2006, my, uh, son walks up to me and he’s a junior at FOS High School in Tacoma, Washington.

And he says, Hey dad, I’ve got a what if. And my son knew that he could always come up to me and ask me anything he wants. We’re gonna have that conversation. He’s old enough now, right? And he says, and I said, what if about what son? He goes, what if I’m walking through school, dad and I open the door to a hallway, to a building, to a classroom, and there’s an active shooter?

I said, wow. Okay, let’s talk about this. He goes, what should I do? I said, run. And he said, how far? He said, Ben, if you run to a seven 11 in the state of Idaho, I’m having a really good day. And I remember my son [00:18:00] chuckling going, dad, I’m being serious. I went, I’m being serious. I need you to run so far and so fast without any regard for civility, without any regard for the rules, for out, any regard of stay in school.

None of that applies anymore, right? See, people need to stop thinking civilly during an uncivil event, right? So when you run, just keep running and it doesn’t matter where you end up. I’ll find you. And we had this long talk and a couple more questions came up and we addressed those. And, and I, you know, as he walked away, I just found myself thinking, God, I’m proud.

You know, my son knows what I do for a living, so I feel good that he would come to me with this question. And uh, and then I had my wake up call January 3rd, 2007, and I’m driving across the Tacomas Bridge in my patrol car. And suddenly over my police radio, I hear following words, Pierce County, west Side Cars.

We have shots fired. Foss High School, we have an active shooter, and my [00:19:00] heart just sank. I mean, I was like, oh, I, I remember this feeling of wanting to throw up in my patrol car. I was so nauseous. So I punched my patrol car about a hundred, 110 miles an hour, and I’m flying down Highway 16. I’m two exits away, and I’m talking less than a minute, and it seemed like an eternity.

So I auto dialed my son, uh, on my earpiece. He’s used to this and um, but I also know that my son keeps his phone vibrate silent. He’s just good about that. And by the way, you should know what your kid keeps their phone on because if your kid keeps their phone on ring and you get a text that their school’s in lockdown for an active shooter, your first instinct is a parent is gonna be to call.

And if that phone rings and your child is hiding from the shooter, you’ve just given your child’s location away if the shooter is in the same vicinity. ’cause we know that shooters are stimulated by sight. And sound, what they can see and what they can hear. That’s what they attack. Okay. They’re looking for the [00:20:00] easy victim, so you better know, right?

I knew my son. He’s like his father. My phone right now is a silent vibrate, okay? So it was the three longest rings of my life. He picks up the phone and my heart’s pounding, and the first thing I hear is this heavy panting, this breathing, and I can tell he’s running. And of course, immediately my heart just goes.

I thank you, God, because if he’s running a, he’s alive ’cause I’m hearing him and B, he must have been near the shooter. And so I yell out to him ’cause it’s, it’s really loud in the patrol car from the siren. And I yell out, Ben, what are you doing? And my son yells back, I’m running dad. And then he says, dad, there’s been a shooting.

I said, Benjamin, I know I need you to keep running, son. I’m about 30 seconds out. Just keep running. He said, dad, there’s cops are coming in from all sides of the school. I said, Ben, I know. Just keep running. I will find you later. I’m almost there. [00:21:00] Just keep running. I’ll find you later. And I hung up and I got on school property quickly went into, uh, active shooter mode for the next four, four and a half hours, securing kids hundreds and hundreds of kids from different locations that were hiding or in classrooms or doing what they should have been doing.

Right bunch ran across the street to Fred Meyers, just like my son, he took off, right? Because they were near the shooter. And there’s the context. So, um, you know, you get done with something like that and you get home and we can talk about this all we want, but when it’s your kid is different, totally, totally different.

And, uh, I remember getting home and hugging my kid, you know, hugging him, and I kept hugging to him over the next few nights and he was, uh. He got that much, oh, you know, dad, can you please stop hugging me? And I remember telling him, shut up. RA will punch you in the face. You’ll love me. I’m your father. You will love me, hug me.[00:22:00] 

And, and of course he just, you know, and my son is now 35 years of age. And I think about about that when I teach, when I teach and tell this story because it’s still, you know, the emotions are still there. There’s sometimes I can’t get through this story, you know? Um, but it’s different when it’s your kid.

And then I just, praise God, seven weeks before the shooting, we have this conversation. And so my question to your audience is this, when is it too soon for you to have this conversation with your kid? If there are, you know, I teach nationally, sixth to 12th graders, a one hour assembly, a school assembly that teaches ’em the nine survival tactics.

And I do that nationally, all over the country. I taught 4,500 kids. In Flagstaff, Arizona in one week, 4,500. The fact that the school district did that is astounding because most school districts they, what they have you do is they have you, they teach the staff, but then the staff freeze, or [00:23:00] the staff give the wrong information during the actual event, and students have actually saved their lives.

So my philosophy is if the kids represent 75 to 95% of the victimizations, which they do in these school shootings. Why aren’t we teaching ’em their own plan so that when they run from the staff member, they don’t have to rely on adult so that when they run from a staff member, they know there’s no rules, they can do anything they want.

You wanna break a window, break window. A kid Columbine jumped up on a cafeteria table and pushed out the ceiling top, pulled himself into the ceiling and crawl the across it until it collapsed in the staff lounge. Can you imagine that? And he lived. An 11-year-old girl at Rob Elementary School in May of 2022, smeared herself in the blood of her massacred friends while the shooter was still killing people.

And she laid down and pretended she was dead and she lived, by the way. I know that sounds horrific. I’ll take my child back though, and then I’ll start the mental health counseling she’s gonna need. But I can’t do that if we don’t have a plan. If we don’t talk, uh, I don’t know what my son [00:24:00] would’ve done. I really don’t.

Um, I just know that. What he did do was what we discussed to the, to the letter, right? So these are brilliant kids. And that’s the other thing. These kids are smart. They’re very smart. We’re not giving ’em enough credit. I mean, seriously, this 11-year-old what a, what a, a lesson to the world that was, this is how you survive an active shooting event, if you’re me, right?

The 17-year-old with Columbine, what a mess. I mean, they didn’t learn that from the school, right? So it’s these survival stories that. Get me jacked up in case you can’t tell. And that’s why it’s so important to have this conversation with your kids. So, you know, that’s that story. And, and it, I was fueled before.

I mean, you think I’m passionate now. I was passionate before, but now my kid, yeah. I, I don’t, I I encourage you don’t fall into the mindset of I never thought it would happen here. Right. Where’s it happening? Name me a place it’s not. I [00:25:00] had a gentleman yell out in a class one day, well there hasn’t been one at Michael’s.

And he chuckled with his buddies and I went, yeah, actually marked 2018. And he goes, what? Right. LA Fitness in Pittsburgh. Right. I can go right down the list. The church shootings. We just had Joel Olding Church last year. It’s a mega church in Texas. Had a active shooter, right. Grocery stores. Are you kidding me?

North Bend, Oregon. Right. Gig Harbor. Safeway. Tri-Cities. Uh, Richland. Um, uh, Fred Meyers. I mean, we can go right down. Lists Buffalo, New York, right? These are happening everywhere. Concert venues. So what’s your plan? That’s my question to your audience. What is your plan? Because it can’t just be ignorance and denial.

It can’t be, I don’t want to know. It’s too scary. Again, it can be, I can’t tell you what to do. I can certainly highly recommend you not do that though. ’cause your kids deserve the best of you during crisis. The best of you. And to know that they’re part of your plan will help you get out [00:26:00] of that crisis like they did at the kids at the Walmart in Texas.

The mom was so proud, she said, Jesus, both my son and my daughter immediately jumped into action. They led us away while warning others that the shooter was that direction. And she goes, I couldn’t have been more proud of my kids. So we gotta give ’em more credit. We really do. You know. 

Leah: And I think we are all now with bated breasts saying, okay, Jesus se please tell us our plan.

What is our plan? Like, 

Jesus: tell us what it should 

Leah: be. 

Jesus: Okay. Well, your plan, uh, my plans, what I teach is context of threat. So for example, we have some parents out there right now in this country that are teaching kids. No matter what happens, I want you to run and you’re like, what? No matter what happens. Yeah, so if you’re in a they, I actually had parents say, if you’re in a classroom and you hear lockdown, I want you to get outta that classroom.

Well, the first problem you’re gonna have is that the teacher’s [00:27:00] not gonna lay you out of the classroom. I mean, I’m sorry, but it’s not as simple as you think. And secondly, why are you only giving your kid one tactic when there’s nine? Why are we giving them less than what we’re giving ourselves as adults?

You’ve gotta teach your kids the context, for example. Lockdown classrooms. No shooter today is breached. A locked door. It’s still on the FEMA website, and I can tell you from researching shooters, that’s true. They’ve breached glass next to doors. They’ve shot through glass, right? They use glass to get through the door, like at covenant.

Okay. Um, Margie Stoneman, the shooter shot through glass, but no shooter has breached the lock of a door of a barricaded door. So. Lockdown works. It absolutely works. It’s just that we think we’re trapped. But think about this and for just a second, separate yourself for just a second out of body experience.

The shooter can’t be everywhere at once. Leah, it’s impossible. Right? 108 [00:28:00] year study by the FBI tells us in, in, in large institutions, institutions, uh, higher education, the shooter, 96% of the time is stopped in the area. They started the shooting in 96% of the time. That means that if you have a multi-building campus on your, at your school, probably 95% are never going to even know the shooting occurred.

See, that’s the key is yes, we should have a plan for if I see the shooter and we’re, and, and we’ll talk about that, right? If you see the shooter run, if you see the gun run, if you look down around the corner and you see kids running and you can hear shooting behind them, run, I don’t need verification at that point.

Right. And run anywhere you want, by the way. Yeah, and one more thing for the parents. Do not tell your kids where to run, please. You’re overloading their minds. Just tell them, run anywhere you want. I will absolutely find you right. I told my son later, you know, the week that this happened, I was planning on giving you a credit card just for emergencies, right?

One of those [00:29:00] parent things. And I said, man, if you would’ve ran to this, to the Tacoma Mall that day and charged a thousand dollars worth of clothing, I would’ve paid it. And my son looks at me and goes, now you tell me. Right? So, you know, let ’em run anywhere they want because most kids have phones. They’ll tell you where they’re at.

The shooting at Maryville to led up high school here in Washington state, one of the parents found his kids in the woods because his son ran out of the cafeteria through the building, across the football field, over the fence and into the wood line. There you go. See the mentality that we have to keep our kids in schools.

Our schools forgot to add one thing, dot, dot, dot, unless you see an active shooter. A 10-year-old at Valdi comes out of a bathroom. I’ve got the video. He turns the corner, sees the active shooter as he, as he opens fire on his classroom that he just came from. Opens up with an AR 15 at 60 feet into his classroom.

The 10-year-old goes into startle reflex. And then turns and runs back into the bathroom. I’m just curious, where would you tell your child to run [00:30:00] me outta school? But why did he do it? ’cause you’re 10 years old and you’re not supposed to leave the school unless you’re supervised. You see, we’ve gotta stop thinking civilly in an uncivil event, right?

So lockdown does work. It depends on the context of the threat, right? ’cause the threat can’t be everywhere at once. We know that lockdown just worked at the Georgia Appalachia High School shooting in December. In fact, the shooter knocked on the door and thanked God for a 15-year-old that looked through the glass and saw him pulling out his AR 15 out of a backpack and she’s behind the locked door because that was the protocol for the school.

Thank God that that school had that protocol. ’cause the teacher yells to her, well open the door for him and she says he’s got a gun. And the shooter didn’t even attempt to shoot into that classroom. Or the next classroom where her sister was at when they had to pull the teacher in because he went outside to check and got shot.

They pulled him in the door behind him. Shut, locked. Didn’t attempt to get in that one either. Lockdown absolutely works. It just depends. What’s the context of the [00:31:00] threat? Why would you tell your child, there’s no shooting. There’s no screaming, but I want you to run outta that room. What if they run into the shooter?

Right? 

Leah: Does that make sense? Yeah. Uh, yes. And having these conversations that makes you think and realize. Yes, there are so many different situations. Okay, so I feel really clear. If they can see, hear, 

Jesus: get out, 

Leah: then you just run, and I remember you saying a stat about their accuracy in shooting, right?

Because you might have this fear of, I don’t want them. To be a, a target. So maybe they should be hiding, but the, the likelihood. 

Jesus: Oh yeah. So let’s talk about that. Um, duck and cover. That’s what we were talking about. So yeah, you recall that correctly. Um, we’ve been teaching duck and cover since the fifties.

People think it’s, it came from earthquake drills, but it actually comes from the atomic bomb. Now I want you to think about that, first of all. So we were [00:32:00] teaching back in the fifties to duck and cover under a desk for an atomic bomb blast. You really think you’re gonna survive an atomic bomb test under death.

Right? 

Leah: Right. I think all of us have paused and had taken pause at that one and gone, huh. I don’t think that would’ve done a thing. 

Jesus: Well, now we have the data. Right. I mean, if you look at it, we know that teachers and professors are telling their kids to get under their desk during these shootings. Right?

And so let’s back up. What was the purpose of putting kids under desks? When I ask an audience of educators that, what is the purpose of putting a child under a desk during an active shooting event? Not an earthquake. The room goes quiet and I’ll say, okay, I’ll tell you what, since you’ve all gone quiet, ’cause I think you’re already recognizing it’s a ridiculous drill.

Okay. For active shooters at least, tell me why you think we did it. And of course the first one is, well, they’re hiding well. I can walk into any classroom in America, stand at the threshold, and I can watch every kid under their desk. There’s not one classroom in America that has three sided desks that protect you.

[00:33:00] Not one. So you’re not hiding Well, the, the desk will stop the bullet. The desk is horizontal bullets, travel diagonal, horizontal, and diagonal. The desk is meant to stop a vertical falling object, earthquakes, and your desk is not bulletproof. So why are we putting kids under desks and when they finally have to come up with the answer, it’s really disturbing.

Accountability. Johnny’s under Johnny’s desk. Susie’s under Susie’s desk. This is not the time for schools to be doing a, a. A spreadsheet on accountability, right? We’ll account for you later, not now. And then look at the data. 10 of 13 students killed at Columbine. I’ve got the recording of Patricia O’Neal, the librarian, who by the way, God bless her.

It wasn’t her fault. She was trained this way, yelling four times. Heads under the desk. Kids. Get your heads under the desks. I’ve got the recording and they do it. 10 out of 13 killed under the desk. Okay. Uh, Virginia Tech, I consulted with Virginia Tech Post [00:34:00] massacre, uh, for three days out of the campus.

And, um, 32 dead right? Guess where most of them were at the time? They were killed under their desk. Derek Odell tells you that he was under his desk when he was shot, right? Because the professors entered the classroom and said, everyone, get under your desk. And now think about this. These aren’t 12 year olds anymore.

These aren’t even 14 year olds. These are 18 to 22, 23, 24 year olds. And they still obeyed on command. Nobody questioned why she was panicking. Nobody questioned what’s wrong? Why can we help barricade the door? Because no door had a door lock on it all five doors at that classroom at Virginia Tech, none of ’em had door locks, and he just walked in and executed people at his will, right?

90% of ’em under their desks. And then you have Valdi, the Rob Elementary School shooting, and again, not Mr. Reyes’ fault. It was his classroom. A student asked him, what’s happening? He says, I don’t know, but everyone get under your desks and pretend you’re sleeping. He’s done numerous interviews where he is quoted saying that those [00:35:00] words, and they did 19 dead kids, two dead adults.

Where in a prone, under a desk doing what? Nothing. What is the shooter looking for? People that do nothing. They’re not looking for the runners. They’re not looking for the hiders. Right. They’re not looking for the crawlers. They’re not looking for the playing deads. They’re looking for life so they can kill you.

And I’m sorry, I know that seems kind of abrupt for the audience, but understand that that’s what we’re talking about here. They could care less about your emotions and how you feel about this. They could care less about your political views, left, right, middle, inner. It doesn’t matter. They’re just there to kill.

So, um, the data’s pretty convincing. Don’t duck and cover under a desk, and yet, what did I just see at the Florida State University shooting kids at Florida State University, young adults hiding under desks away from the door, which is ludicrous that we’re teaching that it is ludicrous, and they’re recording it.

That’s how we know they’re doing it. Thank God they’re [00:36:00] showing us the training they’re getting is not accurate. Okay. They should not be under those desks. They should be by that door, wall side, something in their hand, a weapon ready to fight for their life. If a shooter breaches a door so that they are inches from the shooter rather than 20, 25, 30 feet from the shooter where a gun neutralizes distance.

Does that make sense? 

Leah: Mm-hmm. 

Jesus: So, um, yeah, a duck can cover the new duck and cover is duck cover, assassin, and move. I wanna remind the audience again, duck cover, assassin, and move right. Bang. Duct cover. Startle reflex is one of your only two natural, uh, instincts for survival by the way that you’re born with.

One of your two fears is startle reflex. It’s fear of sound, fear falling. So when you go like this, you’re doing what you’re, you’re getting, you’re looking around, but now you should be assessing and doing what? Where did it come from? Oh my gosh. It came from there. Assess and move. Get out of there. Crawl out of there.

By the way, crawling was used at Northern Illinois University and it worked for those students, right? Because they fall [00:37:00] out of sight. But that’s not in run height fight. In fact, that student, that female student, the shooter kills the professor on stage, opens fire on them, coal auditorium, kids duck behind the rows of seats.

She starts crawling. She hears click, click looks, looks on stage, sees the guy’s weapons jammed, and from what the media reports, she stands up and yells his weapons jammed. Everybody run now and everybody gets up and runs out. Wow, what a hero. Right, and let’s look through her tactics. Duck cover, assess and move not in.

Run. Hide. Fight. Crawling, not in run. Hide. Fight the power of your voice. Not in run. Hide, fight, running. One. In four of her tactics, were in run. Hide. Fight, which is why I am passionate about this, that we have got to teach Americans all nine survival tactics. I understand that three words are easier to remember.

But at this point, it’s not about what’s easy to remember. It’s about part of what your body instinctively does anyway, right? It crouched for a reason. Nobody [00:38:00] hears a gunshot and, and stands up on their tippy toes and goes, right, because we do what we want to get lower than the level of the height typically of a shoulder.

’cause that’s the average height of a, that the shooter shoots at in a straight line unless they drop that angle. So yeah, deck cover, assess, and move. Pretty critical, right? The power of your voice. You know, my son said when he opened the door, it was just like he described Dad, I was going to class. I opened the door into a hallway into a building, and the kids killing this kid, and the kids were already running, yelling, shooter, shoot her gun.

They’re using the power of their voice in between their voice and their actions. He turned and he runs with em, right? We call that the power of the voice for the young generation that’s watching this. You, millennials, you, or excuse me, your generation Zs, and now you Alphas. You’ve got one of the strongest voices we’ve ever had in human history.

Because of social media. Did you know that that eight out of 10 shooters have told at least three people and their friends that they were going to do the shootings according to a 25 year US Secret Service study, [00:39:00] eight out of 10, and that they typically leak online. Their intent to shoot these kids are now finally reporting in the 25 year study I just mentioned in 25 years, in 37 shooting events.

Not one student came forward to report, and that’s just sad. Because some of their friends died, right? So when I teach assemblies, I remind the kids, but you don’t know who’s gonna die. Out of these nine survival tactics, the one I need you to focus on is the power of your voice. Because Bobby will probably tell you, Hey, don’t come to school tomorrow just saying you don’t want to be here.

A kid says that to you. You might wanna report that to administration, okay? If a kid gives you something that is his most treasured possession, and by the way, 98% of these shooters are boys. 98% of mass shooters are men. Rarely ever a girl, okay? But if they give you the guitar and you go, what are you doing, dude?

You’ve been playing guitar since you were like in sixth grade. That’s your most prized possession. It’s okay. I won’t be needing anymore. What do you mean you won’t be needing? [00:40:00] I’ll just talk to you later. That’s called divesting. They’re giving away things, right? Why? Because they’re preparing to die. And if you think about it, why did eight out of 10 shooters tell three people they were gonna do the shooting?

And the answer is they were hoping one of you would turn me in. To prove that you love me, to stop me from doing this, and then when you didn’t turn me in, guess what you just proved to the shooter? Nobody loves me anyway. I might as well die. So power of your voice is important. Running, by the way, we just talked about that one.

We got duck cover, assess and move the power of your voice running. By the way, context, if I see it, run power of your voice before the shooting would be really great. Here’s a cool statistic. I love this one in 50% of my assem is nationally a little bit less than 50%. Within, within the time I leave to up to 10 days, we’ve had students come forward to report a gun on property and or a school shooting plot in progress.

Can you imagine that [00:41:00] some have happened while I was still on campus? Some have told me and asked to speak to me privately in a side room to tell me the plot of which I then brought in administrators and we verified their plot. It, it, it’s unbelievable. And you have to ask yourself, Leah, why did they tell me a perfect stranger after a one hour assembly where they never knew me?

And the answer is because for the first time they were being spoken to in a way that empowered them, that gave them completely the option of how to live, given they’re the ones dying the most, and now we’re giving them permission to do anything as long as they get home. I don’t care what it is. Break windows, right?

Jump into someone’s car, hide underneath, whatever you wanna do. Right? Do it as long as you get home. So, um, evacuation’s different than running, by the way. I think we talked about that in your class as well. Uh, we’ve had people at Virginia Tech that jumped out of windows, out of Mr. Lab’s, uh, classroom. I hope I’m pronouncing that wrong.

Uh, he gave [00:42:00] his life for his students just an amazing, again, another hero. It gave his life for students to buy them time to decide to jump out the window and they lived right. You know, how do you jump out? A second story, third story window? ’cause the videos that I’ve got of people doing it, everyone’s lived, everyone’s lived.

Seven Oaks Bar, California. I had a, the man in Arizona of that, uh, the, the school district I told you about earlier. He did all the sound for all my assemblies. What did he do? He comes up at the end and says, Hey, can I get an extra handout for my daughter? She’s heading to college. I go, sure. I go, is there anything else I can do?

He goes, no. I just wanna go over all these slides with her, man, that she didn’t learn this at this school. You’re teaching it now, but she didn’t know it. She’s already getting ready to go to college, and I wanna make sure that she has it because they’re not gonna teach you this in college. I’m like, probably not.

He teaches it to his daughter, and I’m not, Leon, I’m not lying. I’ve got the text on my phone. I mean, if this doesn’t send chills down your spine, I gotta read this to your audience. I’m in Ohio teaching in [00:43:00] Ohio nationally, and this is the text I get at, it must have been 10, 11 o’clock at night. Last night, I joined other fathers whose children have survived a mass shooting.

My daughter was in the borderline shooting in Thousand Oaks, California. She was one along with her friends who jumped out of the window, almost two stories up, ran and lived. There is a lot to process. But we are okay. I save those to remind myself why I do what I do, why I am still passionate about it, why God still pushes me to do this.

Because people’s lives are being changed. So evacuation just means we had more time while we were in lockdown, but then something’s changed. Maybe I’m starting to hear gunshots get closer. Now you come up with a different plan that’s evacuation. Running in floor infers immediacy, bang. Run evacuation infers.

We had some downtime, some breathing time, come up with another plan. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. [00:44:00] So the two mean two totally different things. Any questions by the way so far? Yeah, I don’t wanna, 

Leah: no, no. Do you just keep going? 

Jesus: Thank you. Um, hiding, right? Um, run, hide, fight. Yeah, of course. If you can hide.

Great. We gotta remember the offset to hiding. The offset to hiding is if you get heard and there’s the key. If you get heard because your phone rings because you’re texting and your volume is up and you’re going right, the shooter’s gonna come to you, and yet we’ll tell you that shooters don’t search.

They’ll search an open space, they’ll open the door. The shooter in Nashville opened the door and looked around the office, looked around the hallways, right? Shooters do that, but they’re not gonna search behind, you know, my couch here or my sofa. They’re not gonna go into a gymnasium and look under the bleachers.

They’re not gonna look behind cabinets. They don’t do that. They don’t have time. They know from the moment they shoot, cops are coming and they gotta get outta there. They [00:45:00] gotta get victims as much, as many as they can. So they’re in a rush. And don’t forget, these are kids that have killed for the first time and their plan goes to complete crud.

Complete crud. So before any of you ask out there later and you send in any, um, requests in, um. Talia, you should know. I get asked this all the time. Aren’t you afraid that when you do your assemblies, you’re actually teaching the shooter a better plan? No, not at all. And you know why? Because the shooter already knows the plan.

The school taught it to him, right? I’m not teaching them anything different except how to survive. And now if I’ve got hundreds of students simultaneously doing nine different things, guess what? The shooter cannot account for nine different things. But if everybody ducks in cover and we continue to put kids under desks and a shooter walks into an unlocked classroom door, of course he’s gonna kill everybody in that room.

Whereas we should have told those kids get out from underneath those desks. Get on the door wall side of the [00:46:00] door. Put something in your hand that you can use as a weapon. ’cause remember in the state that you’re watching this in, it doesn’t matter which one, it’s, you have the right of lethal force if someone’s trying to kill you.

I don’t care what it is. I don’t care if it’s a computer or a laptop. I don’t care if it’s Hornet spray or perfume or cologne, something to blind the shooter and get that weapon, attack the weapon, right? Fighting. By the way, my data for fighting is unbelievable. The myth that it takes a gun to stop a gun is not true.

It is absolutely not true. I’ve showed those videos, Aaliyah, your training, if you’ll remember, of people tackling the gunman with no gun, and they tackled him and they defeated the gunman, mass murderers being defeated. By people that chose to live, people that had a plan. So absolutely Fighting is an option.

In fact, two articles written in the last two years by CNN and USA today tell us that Run Hide Fight is starting to get outdated because they teach that fighting is the last resort. I don’t agree with that at all, because if it’s the last resort, that means that I’m probably kind of trapped. Right? Right.

But what if it’s my [00:47:00] first option, and what if I already know I’m a sheep dog? And what I mean by that is Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman tells us that there’s the wolf, the sheep dog, and the sheep. The wolf attacks the sheep. The sheep dog. Their job is to attack the wolf. By the way, we just had a sheep dog here in Washington state two nights ago, just north of me.

A woman’s house was being burglarized, and she shot and killed a burger. And as soon as I read that story, I said to myself, good for this woman having a plan and having the tools to implement the plan, and then having the courage. To activate the plan. She did all those things because God only knows what he would’ve done to her or anybody in that house.

She had kids, okay? But he tells us, some people think they’re sheep dogs and then they turn out to be sheep. And other people that think they’re sheep turn out to be sheep dogs. Uh, I was blessed at 17 years old. I had a life and death event. I was a wrestler in high school. I loved wrestling. I loved, I wrestled at the national level and you know, a little pip squeak of a guy.

[00:48:00] And I had a life and death event. And it changed my life. I, I acted where the odds were against me and, um, saved a husband from being killed in front of his wife and two kids. And, and I just knew at that moment, sitting, recovering on the curb. I knew at that moment my calling because the deputy that arrived on scene said to me, do you think you’re a Superman?

And I went, no, sir. And he goes, do you understand you could have gotten killed today? And I said, yes, sir. And he goes, did you think about that? And I went. No sir. And he goes, all right, here’s my business card. You wanna do this for a living? Call me when you get hired. I got hired and he was one of my field training officers.

Amazing story, right? So I knew that I was a sheep dog at a very young age. I know what you’re thinking in the audience. Not a very big sheep dog. I get it. Okay. I tell my audiences 

Leah: they don’t know 

Jesus: you’re sitting. 

Leah: They have 

Jesus: no idea. Like, that’s okay. I’ll be honest with you, I’m five six, right? I’m a little a sheep dog, but I will chew your ankles off [00:49:00] until you follow the ground, and then I’ll chew your face off if you try to hurt people around me, right?

I, yeah. You know me as far from what you’ve seen. I love life. Uh, my wife and I love. Life. And we just got back from the James Taylor concert and we just got back from a new movie that was just released. And we, we do all those things, but we just don’t do ’em in fear. We do ’em in knowledge of the data and empowerment of where we’re gonna be, right?

So all of these playing dead, crawling, hiding, evacuation, running, the power of your voice, duck cover, assess, movement, lockdown, all nine of those should be discussed at the national level, in my opinion. Um, and instead we’re just going run, fight. Which again is great if you’re near the shooter, but then you better know what the odds are of if you get caught hiding.

Not good playing dead, by the way, always has its risk. My personal data that I’ve done research on shootings where people that have lived, um, that have played dead shows that your, hi, your chances of survival are higher if you’ve actually been wounded and are willing to lie with those that are [00:50:00] dead or dying.

If you’re not willing to do that, it won’t work for you. People that have survived it, almost all of them have done that tactic. Okay. Including a little 11-year-old girl. So everything is in context when I train, because if someone changes the context, well, what if I hear a noise? Are you saying that I can’t break the window if I want to?

If it’s not the right noise. You can do whatever you want. We’re telling teachers across America, quit waiting for us to tell you. I’m giving you the nine survival tactics. I’m gonna hand ’em to you. They’re in your tool chest. You decide you wanna break a window and run. Go for it. It’s up to you. Okay. You wanna take 15, 20 kids and stuff ’em in a bathroom inside of a classroom, which is what the teacher Sandy Hook did, and it worked, then do it.

But, but stop thinking about civility. Stop worrying about, you know, when my son had to have his face against another kid’s face, or you know, they’re brother who cares, they’re alive. Stop thinking civilly in an uncivil event. It’s critical that. Adults [00:51:00] and children understand that. And by the way, the cool part when I teach nally is when you say that to kids, they’re like, lemme get this right.

No rules. I’m like, I, I don’t have to worry about getting arrested later. Not gonna get charged. No one’s gonna give a bill or my parents a bill for breaking the window. No rules. I’m like, right. And they go, that’s cool. I gone right. It’s cool when kids go home. I taught parents in Seattle and I had 225 parents show up and one of the moms walked up to me before the Trinity even started and she goes, I had to come tonight.

My daughter said I had to come see you. And she said, and she’s excited and you don’t understand. My daughter’s been anxious about this issue, but she came home excited today. And told me, mom, here’s what you need to do if there’s an active shooter, ’cause I’ve got a plan for us. And I just, and she said, I was overwhelmed.

I’m going, what happened? What changed? We asked the parents that night, 225 present. We asked, how many of you are here [00:52:00] tonight as a result of your child leaving the assembly and telling you to be here tonight? 75%. Wow. That typically would never go to a parent forum. 75% showed up because their kids were like, you gotta go, you gotta go.

You gotta learn this stuff. And they’re like, okay. Right. Which is one of the reasons, you know, when, when we, and I teach nationally, I teach schools, but I ask ’em, Hey, let me teach your parents and let me teach your kids. Let’s get the school safety triangle, right? Workplace violence. The, the, the, the survival tactics are the same.

Just, you know, they don’t change. Nothing changes. We can give you just as many survival stories from workplaces simply because these are consistent from the survivors of these events. So, you know. Wrapping this up quickly because I know we don’t have a lot of time. You have, you know, we call it lease lockdown, evacuation and survival tactics because honestly, I couldn’t find an acronym that fit the first letter of every one of these survival tactics.

So would’ve sounded like a foreign language. Um, [00:53:00] but just don’t forget what they are. Right? Lockdown, duck, cover, assess and move the power of your voice. Running, evacuation, hiding, crawling, playing dead, and fighting. Nine survival tactics to get you through something like this. Should it ever happen to you as long as you have a plan.

Hmm. 

Leah: Thank you so much. This idea of having a plan so that we can be less overwhelmed in a moment of crisis, it just resonates. And as much as we don’t want to face these things, I mean, I don’t want to face and imagine these things. I, I’m tender you. I already cried Think three times with different stories you were just saying today.

And I cried at the exact same ones when you said it the first time, like, right. But even with all of that and the worries that I understand parents having of, I don’t wanna scare my kids, I don’t wanna overwhelm them, all these things. These [00:54:00] conversations, just the way that you share it, it makes it so clear.

We are capable of having these conversations. They are capable of hearing them, and they are important. They, yeah. They absolutely need to be had. So I am so grateful to have you sharing all this. I want everybody to know, I will have the nine steps in our show notes. I’ll have all of Jesus’s links in our show notes because I know, you know, we probably have people who are either thinking for their company or for their school and they’re like, wait, I want you at ours.

Right? So I will make sure literally everything is there, um, so that everybody can. Get this information, you can listen to it with your kids. You can go over the nine tactics, we’ll have ’em listed out. That will all be available. Um, and just so everybody knows, this is part one, there will be a part two where we are having a conversation about situational awareness and really kind of talking about as women being able to protect ourselves.

So [00:55:00] that’s another conversation, but I, I, even though that one really felt like it should be the first one. School is just starting. This is sadly, statistically, we know the most school shootings are gonna happen in the fourth quarter. And so I wanted this episode to, to come out immediately because I wanted everybody to hear this and be able to have this conversation with their kids knowing that we are coming into, into the, the final quarter of the year and this is when the majority of shootings will happen.

Jesus: Yes. Yep. Yep. That’s great. And I, I appreciate you doing it during that timing because. Again, I would just encourage, if you’ve got any of your, your kids watching this podcast, uh, I beg you, um, I’m not asking. I’m begging you, you are. The power of your voice can save lives. I mean, think about that. If you turned in a student who brought a gun and you knew it, or you knew it was planning this and you didn’t say anything, right, can you live with the outcome?

And then the second part of that is, but if you do [00:56:00] turn ’em in. Do you realize that you’re saving all of those lives that you’ll never know which lives those would’ve been? And more importantly for me, what’s really interesting is as a SWAT team member, yeah, we saved lives, but we always came in after the fact.

In my eyes, any student in America that turns in someone that’s planning one of these attacks or turns someone in for a gun, in my eyes, you’re a bigger hero than I ever was, um, in my law enforcement career. ’cause my career was always reactionary. People already died by the time I got there. But you. You could be saving so many lives.

So I’m begging you. Use the power of your voice of these nine. That’s the one that will stop the next shooting. 

Leah: Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay. We are wrapping up this episode. I know it has been so much, but I hope that like me, you got done and while Yes. It’s not something that I, I want to have to think about.

I know it’s real. It’s part of. Our life and having these conversations can be the difference. So thank you Jesus for being here. [00:57:00] I’m so, so grateful for you. Just Oh, thank you. The work that you do. 

Jesus: Thanks. I appreciate that. God bless you. Everyone stay safe, please. 

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