Leah: [00:00:00] This is part two of my interview with Dr. Amy Moore. So if you’re just jumping in, I’m just gonna say really quick, you’re coming in mid conversation. So go ahead and pop back one episode and start with part one. If you are ready to continue, let’s go into part two.

Leah: How do we level up and, and like overcome what sometimes feels like, these emotions that we feel like are controlling us instead of us being in control of our emotions, which is ultimately, you know, your, your fancy doctor way of saying self-regulated, but Right. Like to me, I’m like, yeah. Those, those times when you feel like, man, my emotions are controlling me or, you know, and instead of me controlling my emotions.

Amy: So I think that, we have to lay a foundation of brain health. Okay. because without a healthy brain, we are gonna be swimming [00:01:00] upstream. Okay. With trying to get a hold of these emotions that are making us feel uncomfortable, that are, Weakening the connections between us and our loved ones.

Yeah. Right. That are making us lose our jobs or whatever it is, because we can’t get ahold of them. We think our emotions are controlling us. And so we, we literally have to start with the foundation of, okay, what do I need to do to support my brain health before I can even start, uh, reframing what it is that I’m feeling?

Right. Because everybody talks about how, let’s, let’s reframe that thought. Yes. We have to reframe that thought, but we can’t even get to that place when we’re stuck. 

Leah: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve thought that so many times and I’ve kind of giggled where they’re like, you know, oh, you just need to reframe it. I’m like, I think that is a fantastic advice.

You tell me how many people in the heat of a moment are able to get there and Right. Yeah. Like, so, so, and then I love that and I was [00:02:00] thinking about how, Being able to do all of these things. It, it takes working, working at it like practice the same way. Uh, we’re not gonna get six pack abs without working the muscles to like get those abs or whatever it is.

So you said like support brain health. What would be maybe your top three ideas that are like, these are things you can do that actually support brain health. 

Amy: Yeah. Uh, so number one is sleep. And let me tell you why. Okay. So. As we, uh, think and feel and move throughout our day, we use up neurotransmitters, those chemical messengers that help our neurons communicate with one another.

As we use those up, they leave behind toxins and waste. And so if you think of our brain as a city, right? And we’ve got people moving and working throughout the city all day, and they’re leaving trash everywhere. And then at nighttime, the cleaning crew comes in and cleans up the city because if we just let trash pile up in the city, that city’s not gonna operate very well.

And so if we don’t clean our [00:03:00] brains. At night, then those toxins are gonna build up. And when those toxins build up in the brain, the neurons can’t communicate effectively. The brain can’t work effectively. And so what happens is it’s this beautiful, almost miraculous system. Uh, it’s called the glymphatic system.

Everybody’s heard of the lymphatic system that cleans toxins out of our body. Well, the glymphatic system that stands for glial supported, uh, lymphatic. Basically when we fall asleep and we’re in deep, slow wave sleep, uh, norepinephrine shrinks the cells just enough to let cerebral spinal fluid come into the brain mix with the existing interstitial fluid that’s in our brain tissues and wash it, and then it drains out into our cervical lymph nodes to get rid of the toxins.

So, um, my best friend’s, a clinical neuroscientist, and she says it’s like putting your brain through a car wash at the end of every day. Okay? So when we sleep, our brains are cleansed of these toxins and waste that build up during the day.[00:04:00] 

Leah: And when you’re saying sleep, you mean like we need to get a full. I know they kind of say seven to eight now, but like that full eight hours. This is both for our kids and for us. So our kids need this, they need even more sleep. And they need nine to 11, nine 

Amy: to 12, right? Yes. And they need 

Leah: it just as much. So having those real, that really good structure in place where there’s a wind down, there’s bedtime, there’s lots of good sleep, and then.

The same thing for us. So for all the mamas out there, and I was one of these for a lot of years, I put the kids to bed and then it was my time and I would start working and going and going and going. And my sleep window for, for several years was a couple of hours. And I’m not exaggerating, it was a couple of hours, was how long I was sleeping.

Clearly that car was never getting cleaned, so. Right. Um, okay, so we’re talking about like Yeah. A solid eight hours. 

Amy: Yes, absolutely. Okay. And seven to eight hours for adults. Okay. And without that, right. Like when those toxins have built up in our brains Yeah. It [00:05:00] reduces our capacity for regulating our emotions.

Yeah. In fact, it reduces our capacity for even recognizing emotional facial expressions in others. Interesting. Like we misinterpret those cues. So without sleep, a we, it’s, it’s essential for brain health. Yeah. But it’s also essential for emotion regulation and our ability to access our prefrontal cortex when we start to get dysregulated.

So sleep would be, um, number one. Number one. Okay. All right. Number two is nutrition. When I talk about nutrition, I don’t talk about diet. So I’m talking about the quality of the food that we put into our bodies, not the quantity. 

Leah: Yeah. 

Amy: Um, but first is sugar. So we know that sugar causes inflammation in the body.

Well, the brain is attached to the body. So if the body’s inflamed, so is the brain. If the brain is inflamed, the neurons can’t communicate effectively. Again, it’s as, it’s like when waste builds up, the neurons can’t communicate effectively. So, minimize sugar. Really watch for, [00:06:00] um, food allergies and sensitivities.

, Dairy can cause inflammation even if you’re not allergic to it. So really limit the amount of dairy, especially if you do have a sensitivity. So 87% of studies, since 1990 on. artificial food dyes show a relationship between artificial food dye consumption and A DHD symptoms.

, And the same goes for pesticides. , One study, showed that, kids with pesticides in their urine had twice as many A DHD symptoms as kids without pesticides in their urine.

So eat organic whenever possible. Um, really we’re just trying to re reduce our toxic burden 

Leah: Yes. 

Amy: So that’s just a little bit of nutrition guidance for brain health,

right, right. 

Leah: , so I have a question for you. Yeah. On this. I know that everything you were saying is so true, and I’ve seen it, I have seen miraculous changes in cute [00:07:00] little kids who are struggling with all those emotions and then they get taken off of the sugars and the dyes and all those things, and it’s like.

This new little human seems to show up, right? So, so I, I know all this. Now what I wanna ask is from the mom perspective of when you’re trying to do all these things, the deeper you go down this rabbit hole, okay? Because you can really get down into this, the more daunting it feels, I mean, it gets really hard trying to keep the pesticides out, trying to keep mm-hmm. Um, all of these different things out. And like trying to, to get this perfect, like you can’t let anything in. And from my experience, it’s not possible, right? I mean, it is just not possible if you live in the United States, I, it is very hard to take out everything.

Amy: Yeah, so I always suggest that people, um, follow a 90 10 rule. Okay? So 90% of the time do your best to remove all of the toxins or the toxic burden, and 10% of the time let them eat cake. [00:08:00] And I think that, that, uh. You see people’s shoulders relax. Yeah. When they go, okay, I don’t have to do it perfectly.

Because, uh, some reduction in toxic burden is better than no reduction in toxic burden. Yeah. So give ourselves the best chance possible by keeping our brains as healthy as possible.

Leah: Yes. Amen. I think there’s so much truth and, and I do love, like, we just do the best we can. You know, this really comes back to this concept of, if we, if we feel like we need to be perfect, we’re probably not gonna be able to sustain it, right? But if we’re just doing our best, then we can give ourselves that grace and make progress, you know, progress over perfection, and maybe not all at once. It might have to be a little bit over time because, you know, it’s a little shocking to the family household when all of a sudden Absolutely. The snacks and the treats that everybody loves are all banished in one day. Right. So [00:09:00] it’s, it might be slow adjustments and all those things.

Yes. Okay. I love that. My friend, 

Amy: um, Maddie Lansdown, who has the How Not To Get Sick and Die podcast. Okay. Um, he, he’s a nutrition scientist and he says, make one tweak a week. That is the only way these things sustainable. I that one tweak a week. 

Leah: I love that. And I’m such a believer in that when it comes to balance or productivity organization are finishing a project, right?

 Okay, so we talked about sleep, we talked about nutrition. What would be your third? 

Amy: Um, so my third would be really look at the strength and weakness of our cognitive skills. Okay. And what that means is the skills that we use all day, every day in thinking and learning. So our memory, our processing speed, our visual and auditory processing, our reasoning skills, our attention skills.

Those are going to have an impact on our ability to regulate our emotions because when we are struggling to make decisions quickly, when we are struggling to remember something, right, we get frustrated. And so [00:10:00] this is for our kids and this is for us. Okay? Um, and so we know that, you know, working memory is absolutely essential for emotion regulation.

We have to be able to hold all alternatives in mind in order to weigh the pros and the cons, okay? In order to evaluate the situation and say, what could all the possible explanations for what I’m feeling b 

Leah: mm-hmm. 

Amy: And without strong working memory. We aren’t able to do that. And so we go with that initial response.

We latch onto it, we obsess about it, and then we get thrown into fight or flight, and then we can’t reason at all, right? Because our amygdala hijacks our prefrontal cortex and all the things. And so we know that most. Most kids learning struggles 

Leah: mm-hmm. 

Amy: Are caused from one, two, or three, uh, weak cognitive skills.

Okay. That could benefit from being strengthened. We know in A DHD working memory, long-term memory and processing speed are actually more deficient than attention. [00:11:00] Attention is average. I mean, I did this huge study on more than 5,000 people across the lifespan with A DHD and found that attention was average working memory, long-term memory and processing speed were deficient.

And so we know that like most, you know, most interventions are targeting attention. They’re missing the boat on what’s really happening, and that can really impact that emotion regulation piece. So having cognitive skills assessed and then doing something to strengthen them. Mm-hmm. Again, that’s all part of brain health.

Yeah. And once we create a strong brain, then emotion regulation becomes easier to learn, right? It’s not natural doesn’t fall into place, but it becomes easier to learn and to enact. 

Leah: So as you’re saying this, would it make sense to say, you know what, I’m going to journal or write in my notes in my phone, or whatever.

Each time I feel myself get really upset and try to check what was [00:12:00] happening surrounding that. So was I, uh, was I flustered and, and forgetting things? Was I being put on the spot and I just couldn’t come up with what I wanted to do? Like, would that be maybe a really good way for us to identify and say, oh, okay, so I’m noticing a pattern.

Yes. So now I wanna figure out how to work on that. 

Amy: Yeah. So it’s a simple A, B, C model. Right? So antecedent behavior consequence. Right. So what was happening, okay. Right before this behavior occurred, whether it was yours or your child’s, and then what was the result of that? Right. What happened because of my response or my behavior or my child’s behavior?

Leah: Yes. Okay. And so 

Amy: if you can just document using that A, B, C model. Right. Just evaluate, what was I thinking, feeling, seeing, hearing, like where was I? Yeah. Environment is 90% of the issue. Yeah, right? Yeah. A lot of times, especially kids and adults who have sensory processing [00:13:00] issues. Mm-hmm. A lot of times if we can just change the environment, right?

Lower the volume on the television, dim the lights just a little bit, tweak the temperature in the room, get rid of itchy materials. Take the tag out of the pajamas, roll ’em up like a burrito, use a weighted lap pad, right? If we can change things in the environment so that we’re not triggered by sensory dysregulation issues, which then create emotional dysregulation issues, um, changing the environment can be key.

So include that in that antecedent part of Okay. Of your documentation. 

Leah: Well, and I’m also realizing, I also probably need to think through what have I eaten in the last 24 hours and how well did I sleep or how, or, and the same thing for my child, right? Like both. That’s going to gimme some huge indications if I’m like, oh, we were at a birthday party and we were knee deep in cupcakes and whipped cream all day, and we got home really late and nobody got to bed on time.

And then on [00:14:00] top of that, we were just in a very loud. Environment, whatever. Right? I mean, I’m making it way too obvious Sure. In that scenario, but Yes. Right. I can look at those first two things you talked about too. Okay. How was sleep? How was nutrition? What was happening right before the, the emotions. 

Amy: Yep.

Absolutely. Okay. And once you’ve maximized all of this stuff, right? Mm-hmm. Like once you’ve made tweaks in the environment, once you’ve, um, started managing your expectations, once you’ve optimized sleep and nutrition and physical activity, by the way, um, right. Then you start to go, alright, I’m still having trouble remembering, or I’m still having trouble with focus.

Yeah. Or I can’t seem to reason through things. Or you have a child who is at the dining room table trying to do their homework screaming, I just can’t do it because they’re so frustrated. Mm-hmm. Then you need to start thinking, okay, do I need a cognitive [00:15:00] intervention as well as all of the things. Right.

I would love to just say there is one silver bullet. I would love to just say, oh, just do this one thing and you’ll have a perfect brain. And the reality is these are all pieces of a very large pie. Right. And we have to hit brain health, thus cognitive function and emotion regulation and all the things from lots of angles.

Leah: Well, it brings me back to the analogy of the car. And I know we were talking about a car wash, but. For a vehicle to truly run, there’s yes. The engine, and that’s the core thing that we think about. But there are other parts that if my windshield wipers don’t work and I’m in pouring rain, I have huge problems.

Sure. If I can’t close my doors right then if you have a flat tire. If I have flat tires, yeah. I mean there’s so many components and a lot of times, we’ll we, I, I think we look at, like you said, I want the silver bullet. I want it to be like, just tell [00:16:00] me what the one problem is. But you’re right, it’s so multifaceted and there’s so many different parts, but I do love this idea of that we can say, okay, there is something that I have control over to begin with, which is the, the sleep, the physical activity, and the nutrition.

I can work on those parts and then I can say, okay, now what’s still left? What am I noticing? And then. Go from there. ’cause I think sometimes it feels really overwhelming where you’re just like, I don’t even know where to start. And that’s what I love to do is let’s take this thing that feels so big and let’s make it feel a little more manageable where we can at least figure out what step one and two is.

And then maybe that’ll open up the, the next ones. And I feel like you just gave us that, which is amazing. 

Amy: And I think it’s important to, to say too that these are not linear, right? Mm-hmm. A lot of this stuff is bidirectional. So, you know, sleep is gonna impact nutrition because if you don’t get enough sleep, then you crave sugar and carbs the next day.

Yes. Yeah. Right? So [00:17:00] there is, there is a bidirectional influence on these things. Um, and so just because we’ve made, you know, tweak number one doesn’t mean that everything else, you know, falls into place next. It’s gonna come back around somehow some way. And so, uh, it’s. A lot of trial and error sometimes.

And, and I hear right now, I hear your listeners saying, okay, you’re telling me to maximize or optimize my sleep. How do I do that? Right? Like, I can’t sleep, or my kid won’t go to sleep and Right. That’s a totally ano that’s another episode, right? Sleep could be an episode. Episode all by itself. We are just saying start there.

Start investigating. 

Leah: Yeah. 

Amy: Why am I excited? Because you’re 

Leah: right. I, I would love to get my kid to eat more nutrition. I can’t get ’em to eat anything. I’m just trying to make sure that there’s food in them. I mean, yes. You’re so right. There’s so many. Each of us is having our very own experience. There’s so many parts to this, but if we can at least identify, I feel like, [00:18:00] I think I need to start with sleep.

Now. You can go down that, yes. That journey of like, so what could that look like? And, and you’re absolutely right. Each of these could be such a different conversation. So, uh, the last thing I wanna talk about is. Self-awareness because I think in all of this, you know, as you’re teaching us and helping us see like, okay, we can make these changes, we can do these things.

What we’re trying to ultimately get to is this strength in self-awareness and being able to recognize when our emotions aren’t serving us, when our reactions aren’t serving us, when we, you know, didn’t handle something correct. And instead of blaming others, we look inward. Not in a loathing way, but in a, ah, I’m better than this.

Like, I, I can do better. So how do we, how do we start with better self-awareness? 

Amy: Yeah. I [00:19:00] love that question. Um, so I think that, you know, we talk about goal directed behavior all the time, and so I like to talk about values, directed behavior. And so, um, everything that we say or do should be in alignment with our core values.

And so our, our values about what, what we think we should be as women, what we think we should be as moms, what we want our family life to look like, what we want our spiritual life to look like, right? We can look at values in all areas of our lives, and I think that we need to be very clear in defining.

Identifying and defining what those values are, and then they become this roadmap for us. And so when we are faced with a decision, when we are deciding how to respond to our child or to our, uh, spouse, is our response moving us in the direction of our values or away from our values? And if it’s moving us away from our values, we need to stop.

We need to say, whoa, okay. How can I say this [00:20:00] instead, or, or, what can I choose instead that will move me in the direction of the values that I have clearly defined? And then we avoid the cognitive dissonance that we feel if we go in the wrong direction, right? We avoid the. Guilt and shame and, uh, self-loathing, right?

When we’ve clearly defined our values and we’re making those decisions. And it’s an all day everyday kind of thing, right? Yeah. It comes down to the words we speak, the choices we make for parenting, for being a wife or a mom, whatever, at work. Um, so values directed, um, decision making and recognizing, um, that every word we speak is either gonna strengthen the connection with those we love or weaken the connection with those we love.

Right? And so that’s part of that whole, Hey, I, one of my values is to have strong connections with people I love, right? Yes. Yeah. So, um. So that, I think that’s, that’s where to start. [00:21:00] And it’s not easy, right? You can go, oh, I know what I value. But when you go to sit down and identify values in each area of your life, it takes some work.

Leah: Yeah. 

Amy: Right? And it takes some conversation, right. As if you’re, you know, if you have a spouse or a partner that you’re co-parenting with or living life with, right? That’s a conversation. ’cause that’s a family value. 

Leah: Yeah. And let’s be honest, it’s, it’s pretty easy to keep to those values when everything is going smoothly, when someone’s being unreasonable.

When things are hard, that’s when we get challenged and we’re like, woo, okay. How am I gonna handle this? Something that has. Significantly helped me, has been working to set my intention more frequently for each situation. And I think as you were saying that, I’m like, because what I’m doing is I’m getting back to my core value.

So I’ve done this, uh, at the beginning of a day, right? Like, oh, you know, how do I wanna set my intention? But then, you know, life happens [00:22:00] and, and it can be easy to, to forget, but I’ve, I’ve, in places where I’ve really seen it be powerful is, uh, before a family vacation, okay, I wanna set my intention, like, what do I want from this?

What matters to me most? Or if we’re going to a situation that that might be emotionally triggering, I try to set my intention beforehand if we’re, if I’m engaging with someone even wonderful, or maybe where it’s gonna be harder, trying to set my intention and, and I’m realizing like in each of these, what I really am doing is I’m getting to like.

What, what I value and how I wanna show up, which is obviously connected to my values. And it, it, it has made such a difference for me to be able to just have that little pre self-regulation moment, maybe before I’m put to the test. Yeah. Uh, to kind of help me. Yeah. I’ve, I’ve just already thought through how I would react and respond and, and it’s made a huge [00:23:00] difference.

Amy: Yeah. I love that. That’s great advice. And then to even go back afterwards and reflect on, yeah. Okay. Was that successful? What could I have done differently? Do I need to do anything differently? Oh, by the way, what did I screw up? So what repair work do I have? Because we’re gonna screw it up. We do it all the time.

Right? I mean, we can have amazing intentions, but we can’t, uh, plan for all contingencies. 

Leah: Right. And then we, there’s a variable and watch it fly out the window. Yeah, 

Amy: absolutely. And so I think we have to also, uh, be open to all possibilities, right? We need to practice flexibility emotionally, cognitively, um, so that mm-hmm.

That’s so good and true, right? So that when we get hit with something unexpected, we don’t fall apart. We go, uh, well that’s uncomfortable. Yeah. Right? And, and some powerful self-talk by saying, okay, this is not a tragedy. This is just uncomfortable. What do I do now? 

Leah: Yeah, [00:24:00] absolutely. I love that Viktor Frankl asked the question, you know, if, if you could.

Do this experience again, how would you do it differently? But asking it at the beginning, not at the end. And, and I have loved that so much, and, and I do, I think you’re so right. There’s so much power in asking it in both places, right? Asking yourself at the beginning so that you can set that intention, align yourself, and then what it’s over.

Okay. And that way we can keep learning. Yeah. Because I think in everything this is about learning and leveling up and recognizing that we can absolutely love ourselves and love the people around us as they are now, but we can also see potential and see even more in ourselves, in others, and help, help us rise to that next level.

Right? Yeah. I, I don’t believe that it’s a true form of love if we allow people to stay stagnant. [00:25:00] It’s love is when. We, we see you and love you in this moment, and also know and see your potential and, and the next moments that you could get to and try to encourage you to be there. 

Amy: I love that. And this whole process that we’re talking about in terms of, you know, um, nurturing our own self-awareness works with our kids too.

Leah: Mm-hmm. And 

Amy: so we need to teach them this skill. We need to teach them this process. And so, um, so I hired an art teacher once back when I was, um, running youth programs and she would have kids actually plan their use of the art materials. And I thought that’s fascinating. And I asked her about it and she’s like, well, I don’t want them to waste a bunch of things.

And plus planning and execution is an important executive function skill. And I thought that’s incredible. It was genius. And so I think that we can put that in most new things or areas of our lives with our kids too. Right. Like, what’s your plan? Yeah. What is your plan? And then, [00:26:00] hey, when, when you fall flat on your face to go back to your kid and go, Hey, I noticed that that didn’t work.

What could we do differently next time? Right. And you, you process this reasonably, um, it doesn’t have to always be, um, about punishment or consequences, right? Yeah. It can be a discussion. 

Leah: Yeah. Well, and even in, in that experience that you just mentioned, there were consequences, but they were the natural consequences, and that’s truly the most beautiful teaching.

Method that we have, right, is like there are natural consequences, both good and bad. There are good consequences that happen when we do things and there are bad. Now we obviously as parents, need to protect them from like really bad consequences. Sure. But allowing, you know, that example you gave I thought was so beautiful because it’s like you let them come up with the plan.

Probably as the parent you already could see very clearly the flaws in the plan. Like you already knew. Like, I don’t think that’s gonna work. But then in your example, you let them [00:27:00] try it, you let them experience for themselves that it didn’t work. That was a natural consequence. And then by that you were then able to discuss and have a, a learning experience instead of just talking at, and then that’s where we really grow, right?

Like I know that even though I don’t want my kids to go through pain and hard things. I have to also admit that the greatest lessons I learned, the ones that really stick were the ones that hurt. The, the ones that don’t hurt took a lot 

Amy: longer to like get in there. Sure. And but lemme give one caveat to that.

Okay. So I love that process for most kids. Yes. Neurodivergent kids with sensory processing issues should not be exposed to some of those natural consequences because they will fall off the cliff, for example. Um, if we have a child who, um, becomes [00:28:00] completely emotionally dysregulated past the point of no return when cold air hits their face, 

Leah: okay, 

Amy: we are not going to let them leave for school without their coat.

Right, right, right. The average kid. If they don’t wanna wear their coat wear, great. They can experience what it feels like to be cold. 

Leah: Right. 

Amy: Right. And they’ll probably choose to wear their coat the next day. Um, and that not much harm can come. Right. Um, but for a neurodivergent child with sensory processing issues, that can be really harmful.

So that’s my one caveat that we have to be sensitive. Um, and there are exceptions to every role. 

Leah: I think that’s such a good point. And you know, I, I have had experiences as a mama where I, I, I think this is kind of obvious, I am a believer in natural consequences, but I have had those moments where I have known this one’s too much.

I need to step in. And I think that’s where we have to trust our intuition, trust those mama instincts that we have. I mean, there have definitely been several, several times where [00:29:00] I knew like, oh, nope, I’m gonna step in. This is gonna be too much. Like you said, it’s bringing ’em too close to the edge of the cliff.

Mm-hmm. And there’s some experiences that are good and they’re teach them, but we never want it to be to the jeopardy of, I guess, losing faith in themselves, losing right. Like this is to help them become better, not to destroy their confidence. And, and so we have to know our kid. We have to know where they’re at and know, you know, in these different situations.

Yes, I, but I would say probably generally as parents, we tend to err on the side of too much smoothing the path because it just is so hard to watch your kids hurt. Like we know we’ve learned and we wanna just smooth that path for them. And I’ve looked back so many times and realized in retrospect, but I didn’t see it at the time that maybe that smoothing the path was actually not [00:30:00] the best thing I could have done.

It’s just so hard to watch ’em, you know, have to go to hard place. Absolutely. But we also 

Amy: want our kids to, to know what it feels like to make a choice, make a mistake, and then, um, do that in the. Emotional safety of the relationship with you. 

Leah: Yeah. 

Amy: And so if we do everything for our kids, if we protect them all the time, if we keep them from falling down all the time, then they won’t have the ability to make their own decisions.

Right. Right. When they’re adults. And so we do have to allow them within limits, right? Yeah. To to fall on their face. And as Bob Goff would say, catch ’em on the bounds. 

Leah: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And it, when you were saying that made me think we let them make the mistake, feel the pain, and then learn that they can recover.

Because that’s what self-reliance is. Self-reliance is this belief that. That when I fall down, I get, I can get myself [00:31:00] back up. And when we step in too much, they rely on us for their emotional regulation, for solving other problems. They’re, they don’t have that confidence to say, I think I know how to figure this out.

And so yeah. Yeah. All the, all those lessons I’ve, we’ve gone in a million different directions we have Yeah. In this conversation, but I love it. Can you, you have your own amazing places where you are that are just such incredible tools. So will you share where people can find you? 

Amy: Yeah, absolutely. So my podcast is The Brainy Moms, and so, uh, that’s the brainy moms.com and on social media at the Brainy Moms.

Um, if you want to hear more about, uh, cognitive skills and testing and strengthening, like we talked about, um, I’m the, uh, director of Psychology and Research at Learning rx, so that’s a worldwide network of cognitive training centers. So that’s learning rx.com. Um, and then I’m at Amy Moore phd.com if you wanna just see all the work.

Leah: Perfect. [00:32:00] Amy, thank you so much for being on the podcast. And I mean, I was hard on you. Like, I was like, okay, I’m gonna ask some hard questions and you’re amazing. And, you know, it was, it was wonderful. So thank you. Thanks for having me. This was fun. 

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