[00:00:00] Leah: . Welcome to the Balancing Busy Podcast. I’m Leah Rela and we are here to help you do less but better. And today I am. Super excited because my guest happens to be none other than my own husband Taylor. So Taylor, thanks for, uh, thanks for agreeing to be on my podcast, Babe.

[00:00:46] Absolutely . Okay, so we are going to just talk about. Kind of the behind the scenes of entrepreneurship and marriage and all these things. But before we even do that, I want people to get a chance to get to know you. So, Dr. Taylor Stimmel, will you tell everybody? I was actually totally, I’ve never used the little media sounds, but I was gonna use it for you cuz you deserve it.

[00:01:11] So here you go.

[00:01:12] , . Okay, So just take a minute, tell everybody, um, about you. 

[00:01:20] Taylor: Okay. So, a lot of people, you know, wonder what I do, and sometimes I wonder the same thing, but, um, , as Lea will attest, Uh, I’m somebody who’s willing to try a lot of things and, and really try to find my passion.

[00:01:37] So, uh, the reason Leah said, Doctor, is because I did get my doctorate in chiropractic. , let’s see, I graduated 12 years ago from that, , and had the opportunity to, work and build my own business. So I built, two practices down in Vancouver, Washington. So I went in and started to practice with, , an elderly gentleman right out of college.

[00:01:58] Cause I just didn’t want to be an associate. So, you know, I wanted to just do my thing and kind of do it the way that I wanted to do it. And so, I was like, I’m not gonna be an associate. I’m just gonna find somebody who will let me just work outta their office. So I did that and then right before, we were getting ready to buy ’em out.

[00:02:14] And I started my second. And we owned a Christmas tree farm. Leah’s probably told you guys about that a lot. I was not a Christmas tree farmer. Neither was Leah. But the guys who worked in the trees were the Christmas tree farmers. So we would see them every once in a while coming through the yard.

[00:02:30] Leah: , we have to tell ’em about the stilts, the stilts. Those are like the coolest. I, I still feel like that’s one of the coolest things ever. We, we don’t know anything about farming. Neither one of us, we can’t even keep like a normal small yard.

[00:02:44] We’re, we’re not good at this stuff, but we had this dream to, to buy this Christmas tree farm and we did it. And, um, I was, I’ve always worked out of an office at home and. One day I’m like working outta the office and the, the, the guys who are are working on the trees, trimming the trees go by and they’re on these stilts, like what you’d see at a circus, like walking by and they’re just like ninja masters with their machetes.

[00:03:11] Like, yes, like, like they just go by so fast and trim the trees. It was the coolest thing. Any ever. Anyways, okay, keep going. . 

[00:03:18] Taylor: They were like little long razor. They weren’t even like machetes. They were like on a little wooden thing, but they were just like super thin, long razor blades. They were like chopsticks with razor blades on the end of it, but it was crazy and they were just going through.

[00:03:30] So anyways, Lee and I decided, all right, we’re gonna buy out, uh, another practice. We’re gonna, you know, make this our forever home. We had designed our house that we were building on the property, cuz at the time it just had a small little house on it. We’re like, we’re building this house.

[00:03:42] We were looking at it and I’m getting ready to leave the door and Leah goes, I really wanna live by my sister. And I’m like, Like what? I’m getting ready to go buy another practice. What do you mean? Uh, and so I, we came back in and Lee and I, as she’s probably told you, are very spiritual. And so we decided to pray about it and decided, you know, Maybe, you know, being a little bit closer to family is better.

[00:04:04] So at that point I’m like, Oh, Cru, what do I do? I have practices down here in Vancouver, Washington. Where am I gonna go? What am I gonna do? And so, , I decided to join another group up in Seattle that was getting ready to, to make Seattle kind of their emerging market, um, through some chiropractic offices.

[00:04:20] And so I helped, kind of build those up and get those going there. And then we had this crazy idea. That Leah had heard from her friend, Jean, that they had just traveled the world for a year with their kids and we’re like, Ah, we should do that. You know, Kind of funny Lee. And so we did, and it’s interesting because I think Leah will probably attest to this.

[00:04:42] A lot of people are like, What are you guys doing? You have a career. You have a, you know, we had bought a, a nice house and you know, we had, our kids in school and, the one thing about us is that we’re willing to try most things, , and just jump on it and do it. And so we were like, Let’s do it. So we went and traveled and we had a great time doing that.

[00:05:03] And then we came back and we’re like, Okay, what do we do now? Yeah. Now, now what was the question? And, one of my, one of my best friends was like, Hey, you know, I, I work in real estate. What do you think about jumping into real estate for a little bit with me while you’re, uh, while you’re, you know, waiting out some things and trying to figure it out?

[00:05:20] And I was like, Sweet. That sounds great. So I took him past the, the real estate exam. And then, the funny thing is this, One of the things that Leah and I try to do, with anything that we do is we try to invi involve our whole family. So when I first started out in real estate, if anybody knows anything about real estate, most people, I’d say closer to like 85 to 90% of realtors don’t make it past 18 months.

[00:05:44] I mean, they don’t make it past 18 months cuz it’s a lot of hard work. I hear all the time people, Sorry, I’m going off on a little tangent, but I hear all the time people say, Hey, I’m just gonna jump into real estate. And I’m like, you can’t just jump into real estate. You know, you might sell a house here or there because you have a friend that’s ready to do it.

[00:06:00] So anyways, so, um, you know, We started thinking, Well, what are we gonna do? And we had that first thought, like, Oh, we’ll jump into it. We’ll sell a house here, we’ll sell a house there. And then it was really hard and I was like, Man, this is taking forever to get business. Well, for one, we were living in Leavenworth.

[00:06:14] We bought a, a cabin that we were gonna turn into, a nightly rental. And then we ended up moving into it, and, and loving it and making out a full time. So I was a long ways from where I, where I was doing real. And, so we, we decided to do was get everyone involved. So we decided to get the kids involved.

[00:06:29] So the kids, we said, Hey kids, if dad can do this much work, do you remember this, babe? . , 

[00:06:34] Leah: I talked in a different episode about how like, The bringing the kids into different things and how when, when I was doing thrive, remember how I like sat them down and I’m like, We’re all gonna have to work hard so that mom can finish this and you guys each get a bonus.

[00:06:48] And that was how, you know, they got their Legos and American girl dolls and yeah, I mean this is a pattern with us. So once again, we are bringing the kids into the family, into the family business. 

[00:06:59] Taylor: And I think anything that, um, helps you, get motivation for. By having other people help motivate you is really, really good.

[00:07:07] Right? So I remember we told the kids and we’re like, All right, we’ll take you to Disneyland. This is how I remember it. I’m sure our kids are listening to this or seeing this at some point. And, um, they’re saying that’s not how it was, but this is the way I remember it. So this is the history according to me.

[00:07:24] , I remember we told the kids, we were like, Hey, if dad can sell a certain amount, you know, we’ll take you of Jason land. And so I said, But I’m gonna go downstairs. I’m gonna be working downstairs and don’t bug me, but I have to get a certain amount of work done, you know, before, before he come down.

[00:07:39] So I’d come upstairs or the kids would bring me and they’re like, Dad, did you do this? Did you do this? And, you know, they really helped keep me accountable. So with that I was able to build up, um, a pretty good, uh, you know, stuff going in real estate with the help of my family. And then I was asked to run the Keller Williams in, uh, win achy that had a really big territory.

[00:08:00] So I was running that for a while and then I started my own real estate team and I decided, you know what? I also want to have a little bit of my chiropractic still going. So I started a, uh, a mobile chiropractic practice. And was able to go into people’s homes. And, so that’s what we did.

[00:08:14] So now, now I’m a managing broker. I have my own team that works for me. And, um, yeah, I, uh, really enjoy it. So I’ve been a doctor, I’m managing broker. Uh, I’ve supported Leah and CEO follow her all over the world. And, uh, I’ve enjoyed seeing everything that she does to help people. So, um, you know, I think one of the things that, uh, Leah and I love to do is we, we love to talk and tell our stories, but at the same time, I think, we’ve learned a lot of what to do and what not to do, , and also we’ve learned a lot about business, uh, trying different things and not being afraid to try things.

[00:08:54] I think getting out people’s comfort zone is probably the most uncomfortable thing, right? That’s what they call it, a comfort zone, but so many great things can come. From doing that, our, we would never be where we are right now. Probably our life would be amazing, I’m sure. But we wouldn’t have had all the experiences if we would’ve just stayed in that zone the whole time.

[00:09:13] Leah: Absolutely. And, and I wanna ask you about that because I think when people start to hear our story, the, the underlying theme is for sure that, uh, we change our minds a lot. Oh, you, we try a lot of new. 

[00:09:26] Taylor: Yeah. And people say, well, people will say, Ask me all the time, Wait, how old are you? You’ve done way too much.

[00:09:32] How old are you? ? 

[00:09:35] Leah: We have done a lot in and, and so, so let’s give everybody a little bit about us. So we’ve been married for 21 years. Um, And in those 21 years we started in the Seattle area. Uh, undergrad was in Hawaii at BYU Hawaii. Then graduate school was in Portland, Oregon. That was Taylor when he was getting his, chiropractic.

[00:09:57] Degree is doctorate and chiropractic. Then we really loved that area and we thought we’re gonna stay here. That’s that whole stint of buying a Christmas tree farm. 

[00:10:05] Taylor: We buried our dog on the Christmas tree farm cause we thought it was gonna be forever.

[00:10:08] We did our dog’s. There were not. We did, 

[00:10:10] yeah. 

[00:10:11] Leah: Yeah, he’s there. We’re not. Um, and, and then from there we went back home to the Seattle area. Then we chose to travel the world, which don’t worry. I know people want to hear about that. We will do a whole episode on how that worked, what that looked like. And then, um, and then through, I did an episode on visualization.

[00:10:31] I shared the story with everyone about how we have our kids visualize at night, and I told them, Uh, really us ending up in Leavenworth was because of our son, who at the time was eight and how all of that happened and now we find ourselves, in Eastern Washington, this is the longest we have ever lived anywhere.

[00:10:50] We’ve been here for over, are we at like three and a half years? 

[00:10:55] Taylor: Yeah. And I know that sounds weird to most people. They’re like, Wait, what do you mean you move? But it’s. We’re just always willing to try something else and look for that next thing that can do it. So it does sound weird, but we’ve moved a lot of times.

[00:11:08] This is the longest we’ve been anywhere. Um, but I think, I think we’re going on, yeah. Three and a half years in, in 

[00:11:16] Leah: this three and a half years. Okay. So, so one of the things I think a lot of people could be wondering is, We definitely seem to take a little bit of a different approach and, you know, stability, um, is something that usually people want and we seem to.

[00:11:34] In, in some senses, people might think, and we’ve even been told, uh, you know, that what we’re doing isn’t stable. It’s not like secure enough. So, so will you answer to that? Like how, how do we, or how do you like, find the courage to try these new things and, and how, how do we feel like it’s affected our family and our businesses and all?

[00:12:00] Taylor: Uh, I think that’s a really good question because I think everybody defines stability differently, or maybe they don’t define stability differently. They define it as well, you stay in one. So like if I look at my, my parents, right? My parents have moved a couple times. They, my dad essentially worked to the exact same job.

[00:12:17] He’s changed locations, but essentially the same job. For I think 40 years now. 35 years. Right. Um, doing the same thing because that’s the way his generation was taught. That is what stability. But now I think stability is really about having a good, solid foundation with your family and as long as your family’s on board.

[00:12:37] And sometimes the honest thing is, is I don’t know that our kids are always on board with what we wanna do, but they get on board because they trust us and they know that we try to create a stable home life of what we’re doing. And that’s all around being a a family and being. Making that our most important thing, 

[00:12:56] so one of the reasons that we have stayed in this area for so long now, which isn’t really that long, but feels like a long time for so long Yeah. Is because our kids said, Hey, is it right if we just stay here for a little bit? And we said, Sure. But if they came to us tomorrow and said, Hey, you know what, we would love to move to New Zealand.

[00:13:14] Plug, plug. Um, would you guys do that? We would totally. Right. Cause I think, I think, I don’t know about you, but I think like things that we’ve talked about is that we feel like we’ve actually given our kids a really stable life, just in a different way. The stability is, is how strong our family has become.

[00:13:31] Because I get, I get comments all the time and, and we have done a million things wrong and we will continue with raising our kids. Right? There’s no real manual on it. I just think like the way that we did it worked for us. I think. Has actually created a, a different kind of stability. 

[00:13:48] Leah: We have definitely done it a a different way and I was, I was thinking similarly where, and I’ve thought about this over the years, like, oh man, are we super messing them up with all the different things that we’ve done and tried? But I have, I have come back to and held onto where, hey, maybe we are, who knows?

[00:14:06] We don’t know the therapy bills we’re gonna get later in life. , but, They have always had the security of like us five and, and that love and that safety of we’re, we are home, wherever we are. Home is the five of us. And so I hope that that’s been able to create that stability. Now what about the.

[00:14:26] Courage to try new things. I mean, that’s a really big, there’s some, been some big jumps, changing states, changing complete professions and industries. Um, a lot of different big changes. How, what do you feel like gives us the ability to, to have the courage to make these big changes? 

[00:14:49] Taylor: Uh, you know, I don’t. I mean, I guess courage is, is part of it.

[00:14:54] But I also think that the one thing that we’re always doing is we’re always trying to find what really is our passion. And I think for me, one of my biggest passions is working with people and, um, , being able to help champion. Other people. And I think that there’s been opportunities through the different things that I’ve done.

[00:15:16] Right. When I was a chiropractor, I help people with their, with their physical health, right? When I, as a real estate agent, I help people to make probably one of the biggest purchases they’re ever gonna make in their life. And. A lot of that has to do with influence, um, and, and how you can communicate with them.

[00:15:35] And I think that I get a lot of my energy from doing that. And so one of the reasons that I think that I’m willing to change, from one thing to another is that that gives me energy and that helps me to. To really, interact with other people in a different way. And so I think that also the, the, the honest truth is, is that we’ve been fortunate to, you know, at most of the times that we’ve changed things is that we’ve had, um, , you doing, you know, the coaching and me being the person who’s always changing things.

[00:16:09] , and, and you have your business. And so we do have some stability to it. But at the same time, I think if you’re not, if, if a, if a new opportunity comes up and you’re not willing to take it, you better ask yourself, Am I so happy in my current job that I would never wanna leave it because you don’t know.

[00:16:29] The next thing that you go try could be that thing that you’re meant to do. And I think, you know, , the way that I look at it is too many people stay in the job that they’re at because they feel like they have to and not because they want to. And so, um, for me, I’ve always just been like, I want to try something else.

[00:16:49] Oh, there’s an opportunity here. And I look at the numbers and I weigh different things and I see the potential of them and I try ’em out and. With that. I also think, what else could I do? What can I take this and turn this into? How can the experiences that I got from this help me better in this to, to eventually find my, my thing?

[00:17:10] That is just how I can, continue on and, you know, what’s that thing that I wanna do for the rest of my life. 

[00:17:15] Leah: Yeah, I was, I heard long, long ago about how people look at founders. You know, we’re talking major, major companies and look at them as taking these big risks, these big chances. But in those founders minds, it doesn’t actually seem.

[00:17:34] Risky. And the reason isn’t because they’re oblivious to the risk. It’s because they’ve really weighed the options. They really believe in themselves and their ability, and they’re, they’re seeing it as, um, more of an opportunity than, than maybe framing it in this risky mindset. And I think about that and I’ve, I’ve thought about that with, with some of the things that we’ve done, you know, We definitely make sure to weigh the pros and cons.

[00:18:08] We make sure to always be aware financially of the effects that our decisions are going to have, and, um, certainly the potential, but also in that interim, what, what’s gonna happen, you know, what that’s gonna mean. And then we really try to rely on. Um, promptings on that intuition, those gut feelings, communicating with each other, talking it through.

[00:18:37] We’d like to get the kids involved, hear, hear their opinions, um, see what they think, and, and then sometimes you just, you just have to take the big leap. You just have to go for it. I do feel like there were things. When it comes down to it, we were unsure and we just had this feeling that was like, I think this is what we’re supposed to do.

[00:19:02] And so it wasn’t fully illuminated yet. It wasn’t fully clear, but we, we went for it. 

[00:19:08] Taylor: I think sometimes, when we did weigh things out, they were 51 40. They weren’t like, Oh, this huge, you know, oh, this is a 90 10 percentage that we should do it.

[00:19:20] Sometimes it was 51 49. And we were like, You know what? Let’s try it. I, I think one of the things, that we’ve done, And not that we’re, you know, I don’t look at us as any more special than anyone else. Um, I look at us as just people who, you know, a lot of people think we’re crazy cuz we try a lot of things and a lot of people, think, Wow, I wish I had that ability to do that.

[00:19:40] Right? But for us, we, um, we we’re willing to try it because we know that there’s always another opportunity around the. . Right. And um, and that opportunity is sometimes they build on top of each other. So, you know, just sometimes it wasn’t like the decision I think to move from Vancouver off the Christmas tree Farm to Seattle was probably one of those 51 40 nines.

[00:20:07] Right. Cuz it was 

[00:20:08] Leah: difficult. I thought the same thing. That was the one that came 

[00:20:11] Taylor: to my mind. Right. Cause I, I went, we were, were, so I was taking the train. Every week to try to, you know, get up there and do everything, um, in Seattle. And then I had a training that I had to go to for six weeks in Austin, or sorry, in San Antonio, Texas.

[00:20:29] And you were trying to move our kids who at the time were still small, still little, right? Cause that was 2014. So our oldest wasn’t even 10. She was nine at the time. And. All of a sudden, you know, you’re trying to figure out houses you’re trying to face. Uh, you know, I don’t even know if it was FaceTime back then, but we were trying to like, take pictures and send pictures of the houses and you know, we’re trying to get approved for our loans and we’re trying to sell our old house and we’re trying to get it a new house.

[00:20:58] And I think throughout that we might have said, uh, this was actually a 90 10, the opposite direction. What are we doing? But the way that it worked out and the things, cuz cuz I think that that move there was one of the things that has shaped us all the way to where we are here. The friend who got me into real estate, I met at that, at that move there.

[00:21:18] Right. And, the friends that got me into, you know, different parts of our life, we’ve met throughout these different journeys. And I, but I think if we look back at that one, that one was, that one was difficult, but we just kept moving forward. You know, I think we felt like at times that yeah, hands down it was really difficult.

[00:21:36] Right. And we were like, Oh crap, this is , this is this. painful. Um, but throughout that painfulness, uh, I mean, you built thrive and different things really well throughout us living there. Yeah, that 

[00:21:55] Leah: was, It’s, I, I had thought the exact same thing, like the most, the one that felt the most 49, 51 questionable was that.

[00:22:03] When we sold the Christmas tree farm to back to the Seattle area, and, and the thing is, is so often we cannot see the reasoning until much, much further down the road. I mean, that was a decade ago. And so now we can look and we can see, oh wow, look at this opportunity and this opportunity. And you know, our core friend group that we have like has just been amazing for us, came after that move.

[00:22:35] And there’s just so many things that we can see, so many opportunities that we can see that are direct correlation to making that move. But it was, it was a hard one. And there were definitely a lot of moments, especially when you were in, in Texas for those six weeks, where, oh, you got a lot of phone calls from me bawling my eyes out cuz I was so stressed trying to get our house closed and things like, there was all these weird hiccups that happened and Oh, it was, it was so, so stressful.

[00:23:05] And there were definitely a lot of moments where it. What have we done? And then of course now we can look back and go, Oh, look what we did. That was so great, but it didn’t feel great in, in the moment. That’s the honest, honest truth. So entrepreneurship, can be hard on marriages and we’ve definitely had where we’ve felt that, where it’s been harder, it’s been easier.

[00:23:29] I mean, here’s the bottom line, when things are growing, It’s easier on a marriage, right? Like if you’re running a business and the business is doing awesome and bringing in great money, it feels pretty darn good when you’re making big changes and transitioning and trying new things, and you’ve gotta pull those purse strings and, and buckle up for a while.

[00:23:46] It’s, it’s hard. But do you have any thoughts as far as like, entrepreneurship and marriage and how to make those two, uh, just be more in sync? 

[00:24:02] Taylor: Uh, probably the biggest one is you go to bed and then have your spouse stay up all night doing their business and then they wake up in the morning. Leah and I did that when Leah was creating her first business.

[00:24:15] She would, and our kids were little and she would be up all day and then she’d hang out with me for a little bit cause I’d get back from chiro school and then she. Stay up all night and build it. So, no, I don’t recommend that. But I think the biggest thing is, is 

[00:24:30] Leah: there are, We definitely do not recommend that.

[00:24:32] That does not work out well. 

[00:24:34] Taylor: No, that is bad, I think. I think as long as you understand the goal of the other person, and I would say, Um, at times, in any business that you have your spouse or significant other or somebody in your life, your sphere of influence, they’re going to want to give you advice.

[00:24:52] I think when you’re trying to start a business, a lot of us are like, Well, I know better than you and things like that. I would say just take the advice and even if you don’t use. Just make ’em feel like they’re part of it because most people want to be part of the journey. Even if the spouse or the significant other or whoever doesn’t want them part of it, one of the biggest things is to maybe sometimes pretend like you’re taking their advice, even if you’re not, because it could turn into something.

[00:25:18] And I, and I will give it a perfect example of this, of how Leah did this with me. Um, so I kept telling, I think you should do retreats. I think you should do retreats. And this was before Thrive was a thing. She just had go for pro photos, if anybody remembers that. That was a long time ago. And I was like, I think you should do like a retreat or something like that.

[00:25:36] She’s like, No, it’ll never work. It’ll never work. And I was like, I think you should try. And then I just said, This is how you’re, you’re gonna do it. And she’s like, Fine, I’ll try it. And it turned out really good. And then she was able to build other ones there. Right. But she was willing to kind of go along with my crazy idea and then she turned out she loved speaking in front of people, right? And that’s become a huge part of her business. Um, but she was willing to kind of take my advice and turn it into her own thing. And I think that that’s one of the biggest things when you’re doing something in entrepreneurship is that you may not take everything from your spouse, but, or significant other, but allow them to feel like they’re part of it.

[00:26:14] Because in the. Whatever business you have, it’s a, gonna be a family affair if you want to have a family. And so, I would say that’s, that’s one of the biggest things with that for me at least. 

[00:27:16] , I think the other thing too, that Leah and I did really well and still continue to do, is for one, we continued to date each other even though we’ve been married for 21 years and we found time.

[00:27:28] take away from work. I think a, a, a lot of things that, that. You know, if you look at our parents’ generation, theirs was you work, work, work, work, work, work, work. Then you retire. Then your golden years happen and you can go and travel and do all those things, right? And they necessarily wouldn’t always take care of their health.

[00:27:46] And then they get to those years and they’re like, These years suck. Like, I don’t feel good all the time. I, you know, I, I thought I was gonna travel and things come up. Right. I mean, think of all the people who are like, 2020 is gonna be the year that I travel. It’s the year I retire, it’s the year. And then they couldn’t do anything.

[00:28:01] Right? So we also, through all of the entrepreneurship and different things, we find ways to, to get out of our normal safe zone and go out and do these things. We, we’ve been to Thailand, we’ve been. To Australia, We’ve been to Bali, we’ve been to, you know, Mexico a bunch of times and we’ll just be like, Hey, last minute, hey, there’s a quick, there’s a really good deal.

[00:28:25] Let’s just go do this real quick. And we figure out ways to do that. And I think that’s really important too, is you can’t put the business so far ahead of everything else that you do lose sight of why you’re doing this, cuz I don’t think most people are in. To only work and you know, having little wins and having little vacations here and there, or just getaways, even if it’s just for a weekend.

[00:28:46] We’ve done that so many times, um, is really important. And if you have little ones at home, you need to be getting away in my. This is just according to me, at least one week every year where you don’t have your kids anywhere around you. Talk to your parents, talk to your family, talk to your friends, see who can watch your kids.

[00:29:02] And Lee and I did that. We made the rule, it was gonna be once a quarter. We were going to go at least on overnight somewhere. And then once a year we’d go for at least a week somewhere. And we’ve done that almost our entire 21 years of. I think the only times we probably didn’t Yep. Were when we were in Hawaii, uh, going through school there because we were essentially in paradise, right?

[00:29:22] But we still found ways to get away and I think that that’s another part. You can’t just have business. I think that’s what we’ve done different a lot, is that we don’t just focus on the business a hundred percent of the time, . And I think that’s an important part of what’s made it different and allowed us to do these things. Cuz if, if, if Leah would’ve only thought about her, her business, which was thriving in my chiropractic practices that were, um, thriving, we never would’ve traveled outside the country for a year because that’s all we would’ve been thinking about.

[00:29:50] Right? And so I think that’s another huge part of how you, you can get through. The understanding of how business and pleasure and fun and family can also work into it. If you’re always saying that, I’ll do that fun thing later, you’re probably not going to do it. 

[00:30:09] Leah: Hmm. It’s true. And we like fun. You especially like you are the fun one of our, of our marriage for sure.

[00:30:16] I am the more practical. Let’s do our chores first. And you’re like fun now. Work later. Um, but it works. Opposites attract, right? And it works. Oh, okay. Thank you for being my guest today. They, I am so grateful that you sat down and did this with me. We plan to do more of ’em. We hope you enjoyed it. We hope you can take some nuggets.

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